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Thursday, May 25, 2006
take a break
I suppose since the governement and all the political parties are standing firm on the issue of reservations, it is time for all of us to take a break.
Hi, Read your blog. Have a few comments. Please read with a rational mind open to ideas.
I dont know if you have ever faced the brunt of being in a so called upper class. If not just spend a few moments to read my experience.
I came from a middle class background.Dad served in tthe private sector and was the only source of income. He made it clear to me that if and only if I get admitted to the Govt engg college will we be able to afford a enginnering degree education. For your information fees for a year in govt college was 4000 rs at my time and in pvt colleges the fees was 32000 on paper + a minimum of 10000 extra.
Under that pressure i worked hard for entire class 12. I had only one coaching class for math under an elderly teacher i respect like God . He took only 75 rs a month for Math class.
I went to no other fancy classes.My dream was the computer stream in the govt college. Because of it's name that college has the best campus recruitment which offers a means to get a job with no "JACK" . It means a way to rise in economic stature and sort of wipe out the past.
I got 96.33 % in my class 12. My father had tears in his eyes as he felt that I had fulfilled his dream..He got me a bouquet of flowers and a gold ring that I yet wear , the day the results were declared.
I applied and then the dream ended. In the open category the computer stream closed at close to 98%. Yes!!! There were 20 people atleast who had the same percentage. Meaning 20+ people with 97 in the open category.Such is the competition!!!
I did not get admitted to the stream I wanted . I had all the other private colleges open for me. some of best after the govt college for the stream I wanted. But I knew i cannot afford to get into a private college.My elder sister was in a private college already.
I chose a stream i did not want. I came home in shock.Many people who I knew had lesser percentage than me got in easily. These people were very well to do.Owned cars and a big house.
It was my time for tears that night. It is a feeling you will never know. My father consoled me. in vain.
Think again abt a person who worked so hard only to see someone else walk off with what was rightfully his/hers.
Did u hear in the interview of Arjun singh that 50% of seats remain vacant and 50% of the others take more than 6 yrs to get their degree.
I had people in my class who had taken 7 yrs to pass a 4 yr degree.
I never even knew about the caste of my friends untill some of them got admissions they did not deserve.
So, for middle class people like us merit is the only chance for us to get into the right places. And we work hard for that.We pay our taxes, dont arson or burn anything, we live normal lives and then some one weilding a caste certificate jumps ahead in the line giving us a huge slap on the face.
I respect ur difference of opinion but you look like a classical example of a person untouched by this issue..May be I am wrong.
Manee said...
rupali shrivastava.
i think i can really understand the emotions you have connected with the reservations issue.I have tried myself best to explain the same to OBCvoice,but he is adamant and tries to prove me wrong through his statistical data and other logical reasonings. I have given up explaining anything to him becoz his mind is like a teacup full with his own beliefs upto the brim,so if i still try to pour in some of my own,it will only flow out...futile as it may seem.
OBCvoice, i hve tried my best to understand you and be understood by you,yet i could not feel even once how 'good' reservations can prove to be.I believe you have a point everywhere in your arguments saying that an underpriviledged lower class student has the right to reservations,but still im waiting for you to justify how it is fair to snatch away the seat from a deserving upper class student like rupali. God knows how many rupalis exist today and how many are destined to be created..and the we all are prepared to bury the injustice done to them in the coffin of reservations.I think I have nothing more to say. But these Doctors on the streets are not doing nautanki but are genuinely concerned about people like rupali.But then you can feel only for OBCs since your heart is also divided on the basis of caste.
And dear rupali,I can only pray to GOd for you and others with the same fate that you achieve what you DESERVE and im so happy to see that you can say that you have achieved everything in your life WITH YOUR OWN EFFORTS and not through the crutches of reservations.Believe me,it a blessed thing.God bless you.
Dont take rest mates. But unite, this is a historic opportunity to unite and throw off the Brahmin Bania yoke from this country forever.
BJP, the Bania party is nominated Rahul Bajaj, for Rajya Sabha seat, and he will obviously fill the party coffers as well as speak against reservations for the depressed.
This is the right time to expose the real face of Hindhu-Brhmanic religion.
Their media power and political influence is very high.
So fight...Fight....Until we attain the social juctice to all oppressed, As mineguruji stated in one of his posting(a pro-reservation posting about land to tiller).
The real social justice will be acheived by then only.
Fight against Anti reservation is a very small minuscule part of the real struggle.
You can veiw my opinion about reservation in below URL:
13 reasons why the medico inspired equality is failing
License to Kill: Doctors have blatantly violated their fundamental principles of medical service: the Hippocratic code. They have repeatedly called for strikes putting innocent patients in danger. The strike has led to seven confirmed deaths in the first phase itself. Media support has ensured that no more deaths are reported although on 25th they had a total pan-India strike – anyone can imagine how many seeking treatment would have died.
Gimmicks: Cheap antics like asking people to come to AIIMS because a medico had died due to the hunger strike and that the media was not reporting it are a sure sign of desperation. Apart from being a flat lie.
Obfuscation: To offset criticism of their dereliction of duty, they have been clever to concurrently start a hunger strike – by rotation, ensuring none of their mates ever faces the dangers they are making patients face. The moment one doctor on hunger strike faints, they rush them to the ICU. While the ICU is unavailable for the people who genuinely need ICU attention.
Hunger Strike: A hunger strike, with coolers, continuous supply of water, an unending line of friends, comrades to cheer you up, where you can read `You Can Win' by Shiv Khera and where you can enjoy unadulterated media attention is difficult to buy. Ask Medha Patkar.
Police brutality: It is one thing to be silently in meditative pose and be attacked and quite another for 500 people to insist on seeing Arjun Singh all together in a Section 144 limited area. Similarly, if we accept the Maharashtra police attack as brutal, be honest and tell us you didn't want just that.
Additional seats, no additional logic: Even though the number of seats have been increased to dent the campaign, there is insistence on continuing the strike for no logical reason now. Even the PM had to say: there is no issue now.
Caste campaign: To justify the continuation, what started off as a clamour for safeguarding precious seats has now become a childish filmy campaign for social justice – for the upper castes! Now apparently the Brahamin Samaj is also holding rallies!
Want your cake and eat it too: Doctors will not give up their jobs; won't do their job and won't let anyone else do it. This can never succeed.
Delhi delight: In spite of total support in the metros, Doctors do not choose to go into the heartland and convince the backwards to join them. They are hanging around in Delhi trying to convince the convinced. What's stopping them from campaigning where it matters? The inconvenience of running this campaign in Gonda, obviously. And no media to watch!
Political backers: The IMA (Indian Medical Association) is known to have a politburo of graying Doctors who harbour ambitions for public life. What could be better than a little muscle flexing to show political party leaders that you have weight.
Cannon fodder: The Docs don't need a job; they are safe. It's the poor medical students that the IMA is using as cannon fodder to keep this movement going. Hey! did you see anybody from the IMA and the DMA in the firing line of the police lathis? Or the hunger strike? No chance.
Doctors or Event managers: The effort of trying to keep this movement going is telling on the kids to the extent they have become consummate Event managers thinking of one dramatic sequence after another. Navjot Sidhu, Shiv Khera even a Ram Lila with Ravan et all. This does not go down well with the public after a time.
Shifting stands: What started out as a clamour to save the 36 seats in say AIIMS, changed to anti-caste campaigning to save India and has today changed once again: the latest email from the group for the 27th rally says in bold capitals in the third line, " We don't say no to reservations, but…". Well then, what's fight about?
hey.. don't know allthat much about the reservation issue.. but seems to me that setting up more schools and investing in the educational infrastructure of india, making it more accessible to people across the spectrum may be a better idea than straight out reservations!!
ON the wake of the reservation issue...A youth tabloid in Chennai s conducting a debate to analyse the same.... if u r interested in being part of the debate pls contact te.editorial@gmail.com
fink, i think you have a point about educational system itself needing revamping. but, why are you against reservations? that will natuarally lead to other groups coming into the higher education sector and this will improve the situation of the community immediately. it is not that the people who get in are non-meritorious. they have a slightly different cut off point because the system does not allow obcs, dalits and tribals to compete on an equal footing with the forward castes.
11 comments:
rupali shrivastava said...
Hi,
Read your blog. Have a few comments. Please read with a rational mind open to ideas.
I dont know if you have ever faced the brunt of being in a so called upper class. If not just spend a few moments to read my experience.
I came from a middle class background.Dad served in tthe private sector and was the only source of income. He made it clear to me that if and only if I get admitted to the Govt engg college will we be able to afford a enginnering degree education. For your information fees for a year in govt college was 4000 rs at my time and in pvt colleges the fees was 32000 on paper + a minimum of 10000 extra.
Under that pressure i worked hard for entire class 12. I had only one coaching class for math under an elderly teacher i respect like God . He took only 75 rs a month for Math class.
I went to no other fancy classes.My dream was the computer stream in the govt college. Because of it's name that college has the best campus recruitment which offers a means to get a job with no "JACK" . It means a way to rise in economic stature and sort of wipe out the past.
I got 96.33 % in my class 12. My father had tears in his eyes as he felt that I had fulfilled his dream..He got me a bouquet of flowers and a gold ring that I yet wear , the day the results were declared.
I applied and then the dream ended. In the open category the computer stream closed at close to 98%. Yes!!! There were 20 people atleast who had the same percentage. Meaning 20+ people with 97 in the open category.Such is the competition!!!
I did not get admitted to the stream I wanted . I had all the other private colleges open for me. some of best after the govt college for the stream I wanted. But I knew i cannot afford to get into a private college.My elder sister was in a private college already.
I chose a stream i did not want. I came home in shock.Many people who I knew had lesser percentage than me got in easily. These people were very well to do.Owned cars and a big house.
It was my time for tears that night. It is a feeling you will never know. My father consoled me. in vain.
Think again abt a person who worked so hard only to see someone else walk off with what was rightfully his/hers.
Did u hear in the interview of Arjun singh that 50% of seats remain vacant and 50% of the others take more than 6 yrs to get their degree.
I had people in my class who had taken 7 yrs to pass a 4 yr degree.
I never even knew about the caste of my friends untill some of them got admissions they did not deserve.
So, for middle class people like us merit is the only chance for us to get into the right places. And we work hard for that.We pay our taxes, dont arson or burn anything, we live normal lives and then some one weilding a caste certificate jumps ahead in the line giving us a huge slap on the face.
I respect ur difference of opinion but you look like a classical example of a person untouched by this issue..May be I am wrong.
Manee said...
rupali shrivastava.
i think i can really understand the emotions you have connected with the reservations issue.I have tried myself best to explain the same to OBCvoice,but he is adamant and tries to prove me wrong through his statistical data and other logical reasonings.
I have given up explaining anything to him becoz his mind is like a teacup full with his own beliefs upto the brim,so if i still try to pour in some of my own,it will only flow out...futile as it may seem.
OBCvoice,
i hve tried my best to understand you and be understood by you,yet i could not feel even once how 'good' reservations can prove to be.I believe you have a point everywhere in your arguments saying that an underpriviledged lower class student has the right to reservations,but still im waiting for you to justify how it is fair to snatch away the seat from a deserving upper class student like rupali.
God knows how many rupalis exist today and how many are destined to be created..and the we all are prepared to bury the injustice done to them in the coffin of reservations.I think I have nothing more to say.
But these Doctors on the streets are not doing nautanki but are genuinely concerned about people like rupali.But then you can feel only for OBCs since your heart is also divided on the basis of caste.
And dear rupali,I can only pray to GOd for you and others with the same fate that you achieve what you DESERVE and im so happy to see that you can say that you have achieved everything in your life WITH YOUR OWN EFFORTS and not through the crutches of reservations.Believe me,it a blessed thing.God bless you.
Good work coolvir.
i am with you in supporting the cause of OBC bretheren.
Dont take rest mates. But unite, this is a historic opportunity to unite and throw off the Brahmin Bania yoke from this country forever.
BJP, the Bania party is nominated Rahul Bajaj, for Rajya Sabha seat, and he will obviously fill the party coffers as well as speak against reservations for the depressed.
It is not the time to take rest.
This is the right time to expose the real face of Hindhu-Brhmanic religion.
Their media power and political influence is very high.
So fight...Fight....Until we attain the social juctice to all oppressed, As mineguruji stated in one of his posting(a pro-reservation posting about land to tiller).
The real social justice will be acheived by then only.
Fight against Anti reservation is a very small minuscule part of the real struggle.
You can veiw my opinion about reservation in below URL:
http://kaipulla.blogspot.com/2006/05/reservation-haunts-againmore-teeth.html
13 reasons why the medico inspired equality is failing
License to Kill: Doctors have blatantly violated their fundamental
principles of medical service: the Hippocratic code. They have
repeatedly called for strikes putting innocent patients in danger.
The strike has led to seven confirmed deaths in the first phase
itself. Media support has ensured that no more deaths are reported
although on 25th they had a total pan-India strike – anyone can
imagine how many seeking treatment would have died.
Gimmicks: Cheap antics like asking people to come to AIIMS because a
medico had died due to the hunger strike and that the media was not
reporting it are a sure sign of desperation. Apart from being a flat
lie.
Obfuscation: To offset criticism of their dereliction of duty, they
have been clever to concurrently start a hunger strike – by rotation,
ensuring none of their mates ever faces the dangers they are making
patients face. The moment one doctor on hunger strike faints, they
rush them to the ICU. While the ICU is unavailable for the people who
genuinely need ICU attention.
Hunger Strike: A hunger strike, with coolers, continuous supply of
water, an unending line of friends, comrades to cheer you up, where
you can read `You Can Win' by Shiv Khera and where you can enjoy
unadulterated media attention is difficult to buy. Ask Medha Patkar.
Police brutality: It is one thing to be silently in meditative pose
and be attacked and quite another for 500 people to insist on seeing
Arjun Singh all together in a Section 144 limited area. Similarly, if
we accept the Maharashtra police attack as brutal, be honest and tell
us you didn't want just that.
Additional seats, no additional logic: Even though the number of
seats have been increased to dent the campaign, there is insistence
on continuing the strike for no logical reason now. Even the PM had
to say: there is no issue now.
Caste campaign: To justify the continuation, what started off as a
clamour for safeguarding precious seats has now become a childish
filmy campaign for social justice – for the upper castes! Now
apparently the Brahamin Samaj is also holding rallies!
Want your cake and eat it too: Doctors will not give up their jobs;
won't do their job and won't let anyone else do it. This can never
succeed.
Delhi delight: In spite of total support in the metros, Doctors do
not choose to go into the heartland and convince the backwards to
join them. They are hanging around in Delhi trying to convince the
convinced. What's stopping them from campaigning where it matters?
The inconvenience of running this campaign in Gonda, obviously. And
no media to watch!
Political backers: The IMA (Indian Medical Association) is known to
have a politburo of graying Doctors who harbour ambitions for public
life. What could be better than a little muscle flexing to show
political party leaders that you have weight.
Cannon fodder: The Docs don't need a job; they are safe. It's the
poor medical students that the IMA is using as cannon fodder to keep
this movement going. Hey! did you see anybody from the IMA and the
DMA in the firing line of the police lathis? Or the hunger strike? No
chance.
Doctors or Event managers: The effort of trying to keep this movement
going is telling on the kids to the extent they have become
consummate Event managers thinking of one dramatic sequence after
another. Navjot Sidhu, Shiv Khera even a Ram Lila with Ravan et all.
This does not go down well with the public after a time.
Shifting stands: What started out as a clamour to save the 36 seats
in say AIIMS, changed to anti-caste campaigning to save India and has
today changed once again: the latest email from the group for the
27th rally says in bold capitals in the third line, " We don't say no
to reservations, but…". Well then, what's fight about?
You hit the Nail at their Fore head!
Hats Off Mine guruji..
You coule have included the below too:
* Even their protest methods like depicting themself as Sweeper, Cobbler shows their Upper caste arrogance.
Will they protest depicting themself as Archagar, or Pujari?
Will they protest depicting themself as Lavatory cleaner?
Never.....Their arrogance won't let them to do like that
hey.. don't know allthat much about the reservation issue.. but seems to me that setting up more schools and investing in the educational infrastructure of india, making it more accessible to people across the spectrum may be a better idea than straight out reservations!!
RAKING RESERVATION-CHENNAI SPEAKS
ON the wake of the reservation issue...A youth tabloid in Chennai s conducting a debate to analyse the same.... if u r interested in being part of the debate pls contact te.editorial@gmail.com
date: Sunday, June 18, 2006
time: 4:00 PM
fink, i think you have a point about educational system itself needing revamping. but, why are you against reservations? that will natuarally lead to other groups coming into the higher education sector and this will improve the situation of the community immediately. it is not that the people who get in are non-meritorious. they have a slightly different cut off point because the system does not allow obcs, dalits and tribals to compete on an equal footing with the forward castes.
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